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  Did you find worldly people as bad as the JW's made them out to be??

  by karter in

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  as a jw we were always told worldly people were bad always out for what they could get out of you.

  as for me iv'e made some good friends not anything as bad as the jw's said they woul'd be.

  what about you ?????????

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  "as bad"? With respect, I don't think the question is a valid one. People do not have a degree of badness because they are not JW's. There are good and bad people everywhere.
  
  The only person in my life (apart from those here at JWD, of course) who can come anywhere near to understanding me is "a worldly person". And the world can be a great place - I've met several nice people in my area.
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  Testing the waters, advice?

  by Lady Zombie in

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  i know a fellow who like me, was born into the jws.

  his father (a long time elder) and mother are both hard core jws.

  let's call him "robert.

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  Could go either way. I got my hopes up about an inactive couple, but it turned out they were still deluded. Another friend wasn't.
  
  Go careful, and all the best. I like your proposed approach. Remember you can always say more another time, but can't take things back.
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  Lords Witnesses (JW Sect) in the Times - UK

  by Peppermint in

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  quite interesting: .

  http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/the_way_we_live/article4014800.ece .

  sorry i can't activate my link

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  Ignorance of genre - so sad.
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  Furuli. The prominent elder in Norway not too popular among top dogs

  by Samuel Thorsen in

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  a trustworthy source has given me the opportunity to share some information about rolf furuli.

  a well known apologist og and greatly respected elder in norway and a schoolar at the university of oslo.

  he does not compleatly agree with the fds in all cases i guess, and lately he has spoken up in his local congo about 3 subjects.. # 1. education.

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  Sounds good. He's not apostate, is he? :)
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  PROPHECY

  by winnower in

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  as i told you in a previous post, there would be a catalyst event in may that would cause some very serious and dire consequences to unfold very quickly in a chain of events.

  how terrible for you, babylon, city of power!

  if you don't have one you will no longer be able to participate in society.

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  Eyes Open

  I'm going to miss out on your terribly important message, all because you didn't manage to include the paragraph breaks (I can't read solid blocks that big - I get dizzy).
  
  If this means I die through not having a warning, you'll be bloodguilty.
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  How do you handle ... being shunned?

  by Awakened at Gilead in

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  my da announcement was last tuesday, so i have been on the official jw shun list for about a week now.... i am curious how you handle shunning.my situation:.

  i have spoken with my family (my parents and 1 brother) and discussed whether they will shun me.

  i explained that biblically they should not shun me since i am not an antichrist, and i have not rejected the teaching that jesus cam in the flesh.

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  I'm not DF'ed and didn't DA, so I'm not actually shunned. But I moved away to avoid the possibility. So nothing to share with how to handle it, but you sound like you're doing great under the circumstances. I'm very glad your Mum and step Dad still communicate with you, and hope your brother will, too. Go easy on him and try not to appear like you're on any other side to him, I guess.
  
  And yes, those who are inactive or DA'ed who are still under the delusion it's truth - grief, what a mind f***. :(
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  Is this new? WT says that JESUS resurrects.

  by ozziepost in

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  yep, on the "official" wt site, there's an article on grieving and a photo caption that reads:.

  bible accounts show that jesus has the power and the desire to bring children back to life.

  http://www.watchtower.org/e/20070501/article_02.htm.

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  Because humankind is in the process of proving how utterly incapable it is of running things itself, remember?
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  My Story - Part 2

  by Jeremy C in

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  like many jw children, i was deeply influenced and motivated by watchtower society artwork depicting the new system of things.

  i was profoundly influenced by artwork (particularly in the book: you can live forever in paradise on earth) that portrayed children petting tigers, playing with lion cubs, running through grassy fields with kites, and enjoying care-free lives.

  what i now realized about myself is that for a jw to desire such things; and to go through the motions - performing organizationally-programmed activity in order to receive this reward; does not necessarily require a love for god or christ that is any deeper than other religionists.

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  Thank you Jeremy - look forward to the next part.
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  the day after armageddon part deux

  by Crumpet in

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  day 8

  the elders announced a new meeting schedule at the morning meeting.

  on sunday, we will still have the public talk followed by a study of old watchtower articles until we get new magazines.

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  Ooo, nice twist. :)
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  One Reason Why I Worship the God of the Bible

  by snowbird in

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  2. beliefs

  while this may be construed as a rebuttal to nvr's thread re: why i post about atheism, that is not my intent.. it is my intent, however, to show how i developed a belief in and love for the god of the bible.. my paternal grandfather, who died before i was born, was a baptist preacher, so you could say i cut my teeth on the bible.

  i loved having it read to me, and once i learned how, reading it for myself.

  i'm convinced that spirituality runs deep in my blood.. i've always had such a strong sense of right and wrong that injustices make me literally sick.

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  Eyes Open

  snowbird

  If you're referring to what I said in my opening post about the gross immorality and hypocrisy that I saw among people who claimed to worship God, let me spell it out a little more.

  When I mentioned judging and name-calling I wasn't referring to your original post - I was referring to the following:

  BurnTheShips

  Haters coming out of the woodwork....

  snowbird

  Hi EyesOpen,

  Indeed, come they did; the bitter, the cynical, the doubting, the questing, and the true-blue believers.

  Hi snowbird. I'm curious - which of those names do you judge me as? (Obviously not the last one...)

  Not to worry, though. Everyone's eyes are opened at different times.

  Sylvia

  Perry

  Many Christians would rather quench the Spirit as Paul warned the church at Thessalonica about doing (I Thessalonians 5:19). Today Christians have a myriad of ways to choose from in order to quench the Holy Spirit's working in their life. The majority of these ways can be lumped into two different categories. The first way many Christians quench the Spirit is by simply refusing to separate from the world and its lusts. The majority of Christians dress and talk so much like the world that you would not know them to be a Christian outside of them attending a church service on Sunday - though that does not make one a Christian. We need to follow what the Bible says in II Corinthians 6 and separate ourselves from the ways of the heathen.

  Hi IP Sec, ....... What an incredibly ignorant and thoughtless remark.

  I found out that 'pleasing Jehovah" was a fool's errand.

  nvgbk, it is not your logic that damns you, it is your premise.

  Although one or two posters seemed to enjoy mocking belief, there are a good few comments from atheists/non-Christians in this thread who specifically state that they are not attacking the person, but challenging a point posted. This is what happens on forums, in line with:

  snowbird

  I'm not attacking anyone else's stance on this subject unless stating one's opinion can be regarded as an attack. If that is the case, then so be it.

  trevor

  There have been a few harsh exchanges but for the most part the exchange of views has been civil and sensible. Why not just address the posters who are polite?

  Exactly.

  Moving on... if someone can't deal with having their beliefs, opinions and reasoning challenged, what are they doing posting them on a forum? It's very sad that people feel they need to play the 'being bullied' card when they are faced with questions and points which they don't want to deal with (and during my quick scan of the thread I saw plenty of references to such by those who had taken the time to post their honest responses to snowbird's statements).

  Christians: your beliefs are not under siege because the world and his dog are opposed to your God and bent on being evil - they are being challenged because more and more people view them as unfounded.

  snowbird

  I refuse to be part and parcel of a religion that touts its purity above all others while hiding the numerous skeletons in its closet. That is not name-calling or being judgmental; it is standing for what is right.

  Quite right, too. And I feel similarly about all of Christianity, including your version.

  Perry

  Moral relativists can justify anything by their own nature and imagined autonomy. Consesquently, they regard ANY moral certitude as "judging" and a personal attack...... because they themselves are at the center of their worldview.

  Just for clarification, when a Christian comments on right or wrong, he is not "judging" in the sense that he is somehow better; or isn't guilty of the thing he brings attention to. He/She is simply stating moral truth as related by Jesus.

  Based on what we have written about Jesus in the bible, if he came back to earth today (saying, for arguments sake, that he's real) I imagine he would have a few things to say to you about your condescending view of those "in the world". Looking down your nose at others is one of the things that JW's have to do to enforce their world-view and belief system - it's not actually very Christian.

  Also bear in mind that many of those without the beliefs you hold are very interested in morals and living good lives. They just don't need someone looking over their shoulder to be so.

  So in short, here's what I'm trying to say: believe what you think is right. If you post your beliefs here, don't be surprised when people disagree.